Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albanians in Norway

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Albanians in Scandinavia. As an alternative to deletion per WP:ATD. If anyone wants to merge something can freely do so by WP:BOLD. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 22:46, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Albanians in Norway[edit]

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Diasporas are not inherently notable. I see little coverage in independent, reliable sources of the diaspora. There are 195 countries so there could be 38,025 of these; not all of them are inherently notable. I see no issue with a redirect to Albanian diaspora after consensus has been gained. SITH (talk) 15:10, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. ~Ruyaba~ {talk} 15:14, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir (talk) 16:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The television program cited as a reference seems to be the in-depth coverage that established notability, and the people on the list in the article are individually notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The IPS and OECD sources cited are both about a particular wave of Albanian refugees coming to Norway. I cannot understand what that 30-minute news program is about. I am not opposed to the idea of an article but there has to be a little content and some sources identified to be a Wikipedia. My standards are low, and about 3 sources talking about 3 different topics (3 sentences, 3 citations) is my usual minimum expectation. This article is not there yet. Almost none of the content here is matched to citations. We have a quality standard to uphold and it would take a lot of work to get this article up to our low standards. If someone does that work I could change my vote. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if it's improved. If the numbers are correct then I believe there is a considerable number of the Albanian community in Norway. Such articles are all over wikipedia, so if it is improved with reliable resources then it can keep it as well Bes-ARTTalk 19:08, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See List of Scandinavian Albanians PRehse (talk) 13:28, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have added a ref and cleaned it up a bit. The nominators 38,025 argument is compelling. I note there is no Norway section on Albanian diaspora. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 03:53, 12 February 2019 (UTC)).[reply]
Comments: I removed the unsourced "Notable people" section and list of names that was BLP violations and original research. This may need relisting for more discussion because at present I am inclined to swing to Delete. Otr500 (talk) 12:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Otr500. I have no great love for such lists, but I thought while borderline it was standard on such pages. I asuum inline citations would be a good start, is anything else needed? ~~I am leaning towards merge with Albanian diaspora~~. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 18:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)).[reply]

Hello, I share the lack of love. If anyone wants to add some names I don't have an issue but they can't be just dropped names. I stopped after randomly picking three, Bajram Ajeti, Bersant Celina, and Mërgim Hereqi. The last one claims Kosovan-Albanian descent in the lead but is unsourced and the other two have no mention of descent so sourcing would be important. Twenty thousand immigrants may or may not be a threshold for notability to a country and the slippery slope could be new lists of any minor immigration to all countries. A main concern with the list of notable people, not backed by sources, that their families might be war related immigrants or actually just migrated or "moved". Otr500 (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 16:25, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect this poorly sourced page to Albanians in Scandinavia, where a subhead already exists. Among the problems on thia page is source#2, an old article about Norway accepting 700 temporary Albanian refugees. Are they still in Norway? several European countries have sent their temporary Balkan refugees home. Note also tha the # cited at Albanians in Scandinavia for Norway is only ~11,000. Better to consolidate this brief, ill-sourced, paltry page to an article where knowledgeable editors may have a better chance at bring it up to snuff, and keeping it up to date.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Merge the good text if any with Albanians in Scandinavia and make the page a redirect as above. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 20:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)).[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Albanians in Scandinavia would be a great place to cover this information. Reywas92^Talk 21:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: Alright with merging anything salvageable. I don't know if User:StraussInTheHouse's figures are correct but a poorly sourced article would be grounds for the poor but often cited other stuff argument for potentially hundreds of like articles. Otr500 (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.